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  • 1.  Global Gambits: Your Forays into Foreign Stock Frontiers

    Posted 08-22-2023 13:52

    Hi All,

    I have a question for the group. Different countries have unique cultural attitudes toward business, as well as diverse regulatory landscapes that can significantly impact investment strategies. Have you ever bought shares in a foreign company? What did you learn from the experience?

    Thanks in advance for your perspectives.



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    Jenna Brashear
    AAII Community Manager
    Chicago, IL
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  • 2.  RE: Global Gambits: Your Forays into Foreign Stock Frontiers

    Posted 08-24-2023 20:59

    Yes. Decades ago I did invest in one or two individual foreign companies, based mostly on their momentum. I knew I was in above my head when I got the first annual reports and struggled to understand what was being reported, much less how to use the information to make decisions on the investments. Since I have no accounting training, and their financial terminology and formats were so different from what I was used to, I was lost. I switched to investing in funds and ETFs focused on individual countries and reporting to the American investment community. The fees were worth the expense.



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    JAMES CARROLL
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  • 3.  RE: Global Gambits: Your Forays into Foreign Stock Frontiers

    Posted 08-30-2023 08:46
    I also limit my global investments to mutual funds and ETF's, letting the managers deal with the details.





  • 4.  RE: Global Gambits: Your Forays into Foreign Stock Frontiers

    Posted 09-06-2023 10:56

    Hi James and John,

    Thanks for sharing your perspectives! 

    It's absolutely crucial to recognize that different countries have distinct cultural attitudes toward business and divergent regulatory frameworks. These can significantly affect how companies operate and consequently, their financial performance. Investing in a foreign company means embracing these variables, knowingly or unknowingly. Some investors consider these differences an opportunity for diversification, while others see them as potential risks that need to be carefully managed.
     
    James, your experience with struggling to understand annual reports from foreign companies is not uncommon. Accounting practices can differ widely across countries, and if you're not trained in the accounting standards of a particular nation, the financial reports can indeed be perplexing. Even companies that report under International Financial Reporting Standards (IFRS) may include country-specific nuances that are hard to decipher without expert knowledge.
    I found it interesting that both James and John pointed out that they prefer using mutual funds and ETFs for international exposure. This is a prudent strategy for many, especially those who don't have the time or expertise to delve into the specifics of each foreign company they invest in. These funds often have managers who are skilled in international business analysis and can navigate the complexities of foreign accounting and regulations, providing a layer of expertise that can be worth the fees charged.
    Thanks again for sharing, I enjoyed reading these and look forward to others chiming in. Have a great day!


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    Jenna Brashear
    AAII Community Manager
    Chicago, IL
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  • 5.  RE: Global Gambits: Your Forays into Foreign Stock Frontiers

    Posted 09-01-2023 14:57

    foreign headquartered companies are included in the SI Pro database.  I have not hesitated to include companies in the database that pass my screens.  So I have invested in Asian, European, and South American based companies that have passed my screens on SI Pro.  I do not explicitly exclude them, but they usually make up only a small part of my 40+ individual stock portfolio.  Like U.S. based stocks, some have turned out to be busts and others have turned out to be long time winners.  Nothing unusual here.  Lately have totally bailed from Chinese stocks, but still have positions in some South American and European based stocks. I generally avoid most ETFs and funds, as I trust my own stock picking over those of broadly based foreign stock managers. - Mike



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    MICHAEL SKINNER
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  • 6.  RE: Global Gambits: Your Forays into Foreign Stock Frontiers

    Posted 09-06-2023 10:54

    Hi Michael,

    I have enjoyed reading everyone's comments! 

    It's interesting that your strategy of focusing on foreign stocks indicates a more hands-on approach. This does require a higher level of confidence and skill in one's stock-picking abilities. Michael, your strategy has the benefit of a more customized portfolio, but as you acknowledged, it carries the same risks and rewards as picking domestic stocks-some will win, and some will lose.

    You also noted, Michael, that you've bailed from Chinese stocks. This touches on another important aspect of international investing: geopolitical risks. Governments can make policy changes that heavily impact the stock market. The ongoing regulatory crackdown in China, for example, has left many investors cautious.

    Overall, international investing can offer diversification and new opportunities but also comes with a unique set of challenges, including different accounting standards, regulatory environments, and geopolitical risks. Whether to go it alone with individual foreign stock picks or to invest through funds and ETFs that offer expert management is a decision that can depend on your investing skills, your tolerance for risk, and the time you can commit to understanding foreign markets.

    Thanks for sharing your perspectives, Michael! 



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    Jenna Brashear
    AAII Community Manager
    Chicago, IL
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  • 7.  RE: Global Gambits: Your Forays into Foreign Stock Frontiers

    Posted 09-06-2023 11:55
    I am basically a bottoms up fundamental investor using SI Pro.  About 1/3?? of the companies in the SI Pro database are foreign headquartered (my guess).  As long as they have securities listed on U.S. exchanges I do not really care where they are headquartered.  The U.S. SEC threat to delist all Chinese companies that did not conform to U.S. audit standards and that few if any Chinese companies currently pass the screens gave me pause of course.  

    One of the thread comments on another screening community questioned the use of screening and the SI Pro product.  I have used other database products and am not wedded to Si Pro, In fact my screens were first developed while using other products.  I migrated to SI Pro because of cost and breadth of coverage considerations.





  • 8.  RE: Global Gambits: Your Forays into Foreign Stock Frontiers

    Posted 02-24-2024 15:15

    I generally prefer domestic stocks, but sometimes an attractive prospect can be found outside our borders. I've owned CNI for about 15 years and ACN for about a year. Unfortunately, I own both of them in a taxable account, which means a chunk of my dividends are withheld for foreign taxes. But at least their stocks are directly traded on the NYSE, so I don't get hit with ADR fees. 

    I have owned foreign commodities stocks (via ADRs) intermittently over the years, and I dabbled in three Chinese stocks (also via ADRs).

    I've learned to generally avoid ADRs and Chinese stocks. It's not that I didn't make money on them. It's just that I prefer stocks I can buy and hold indefinitely, and the ADRs and Chinese stocks I bought were "special situations" that I held for finite periods. I haven't found a good buy-and-hold candidate within either category.

    I've also learned that I should have bought CNI in my Roth. Canada has a tax treaty with the U.S. under which no taxes are withheld from dividends paid to retirement accounts. I'm not sure whether a similar treaty exists between the U.S. and Ireland, but I already have enough gain in ACN that I don't want to sell it and repurchase it in my Roth.

    I considered buying MELI back in 2009, around the same time I bought CNI, but I passed it up. I also considered but passed up NTES back in the early 2000s. Those are two decisions I wish I could go back and change.

    I avoid foreign-stock ETFs like the plague. Their expense ratios are too high, and except for brief periods, they chronically underperform domestic equity ETFs.



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    Rob Adams
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